Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren are not having it with Pete Buttigieg, as evidenced by Friday’s Democratic debate in New Hampshire.
The 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has sought to cast himself as a fresh face on the political scene and play into the “Washington outsider” narrative. But Warren and Klobuchar, two deeply experienced and talented politicians who have nevertheless been dogged by questions of “electability,” are not having it.
“We have a newcomer in the White House, and look where it got us,” Klobuchar quipped in reference to Buttigieg. And Warren’s take on Buttigieg’s hedged answer on racism in the police department he oversaw: Not good enough.
Not all the most important moments were that contentious, but Friday’s debate fell days after the chaotic Iowa caucuses, the results of which are still unknown, and tensions were notably high. Bernie Sanders and Buttigieg appear to have received the most support in Iowa, and while Warren outperformed her polling there, it has been largely overlooked by the media in lieu of covering the ongoing meltdown over results. Joe Biden’s support, on the other hand, was surprisingly weak, while Klobuchar seems to have delivered at least what she wanted to.
We’re now just days away from the New Hampshire primary. Elbows are getting sharper, and emotions are running high. It was evident at this latest debate that candidates are feeling the heat and sharpening their cases for their campaigns. (Though, at one point, there was a Bernie-Biden hug, and Tom Steyer really does seem to love Sanders.)
If you spent your Friday night doing something other than watching the debate (which, fair) and want to catch up on what you missed — or if you want to relive the showdown — here are the seven biggest moments of the night.
Bernie and Biden go at it on Medicare-for-all
The Medicare-for-all cost question simply will not go away. On Friday, Biden took his turn going after Sanders on his plan.
“Bernie says he wrote the damn thing, but he’s unwilling to tell us what the damn thing is going to cost,” Biden said. “It will cost more than the entire federal budget we spend now. More than the entire budget. The idea that middle-class taxes aren’t going to go up is just crazy.”
This time, Biden brought receipts from a failed single-payer experiment in Vermont — Sanders’s home state. Ironically, said experiment was spearheaded by former Gov. Peter Shumlin, who now supports Biden.
“When they did it in Vermont, what happened?” Biden said. “They doubled the state income tax and then had a 14 percent tax on withholding. And they finally did away with it. So how much is it going to cost?”
Joe Biden on Medicare for All: "Bernie says he wrote the damn thing—but he's unwilling to tell us what the damn thing is going to cost." https://t.co/xf1187lahq #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/bbQVctTb9c— This Week (@ThisWeekABC) February 8, 2020
Sanders responded by bringing up a point he’s repeated many times before: The cost of doing nothing to reform America’s health care system will also be incredibly expensive. At his town halls, Sanders often asks voters how much they pay in premiums and deductibles per year, and many answers are in the tens of thousands of dollars.
Raising his voice to match Biden’s tone, Sanders told him his plan “would be much less expensive than your plan.”
“If we do what Joe wants, we’ll be spending some $50 trillion on health care over the next 10 years,” Sanders said. “That’s the status quo, Joe. Maybe it has something to do with the fact the health care industry last year made $100 billion in profit. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we are wasting $500 billion a year trying to administer thousands and thousands of different plans. What Medicare-for-all will do is save the average American substantial sums of money.”
Health care is a top issue for Democratic voters, and there’s a real divide in the party about whether to stabilize Obamacare, pursue a public option, or go all-in on Medicare-for-all. But we’ve now been over this cost question ad nauseam, with similar answers every time. As Vox’s Dylan Scott wrote back in October, it “totally ignores the toll of the Trump administration’s reckless agenda to pare back health coverage in this country.”
Amy Klobuchar bats back at Pete Buttigieg with impeachment
Klobuchar appears not to be a fan of Buttigieg. The Minnesota senator took a swipe at the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor at the November debate over the gender dynamics of women succeeding in politics. And on Friday evening, she demonstrated that, yet again, she has little patience for Buttigieg’s casting of experience as a negative. And she did it with some gravity: She mentioned President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, in which she and two other candidates onstage — Warren and Sanders — had taken part in recent weeks.
“I am listening to this about ‘meeting the moment,’” she said, using a phrase Buttigieg had just invoked to talk about the challenges the next president will face, “and my first thought is, ‘I’m a fresh face up here for a presidential debate, and I figure, Pete, that 59, my age, is the new 38 up here.’”
But then her tone turned more serious: “We had a moment these past few weeks, Mayor, and that moment was these impeachment hearings. There was a lot of courage that you saw from only a few people.” Klobuchar named Sen. Doug Jones (D-AL), who voted to convict the president despite being from a deep-red state; Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), the only Republican who voted to convict on the abuse of power charge; and Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified during the House impeachment inquiry and was removed from his post on the National Security Council on Friday.
Amy Klobuchar knocks idea of being a "cool newcomer": "We have a newcomer in the White House, and look where it got us. I think having some experience is a good thing." https://t.co/xf1187lahq #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/XmouuQN2he— This Week (@ThisWeekABC) February 8, 2020
“But what you said, Pete, when you were campaigning through Iowa as three of us were jurors in that impeachment hearing, you said that it was exhausting to watch and that you wanted to turn the channel and watch cartoons,” Klobuchar said.
It was a powerful defense of political experience and a reminder of the gravity of holding elected office at the highest levels of government.
Criticizing things because it’s popular makes you seem like a “cool newcomer,” Klobuchar said. “We have a newcomer in the White House, and look where it got us,” she said.
A nice hug
Sure, there were plenty of presidential candidates shouting at each other on the debate stage, but there was also a very nice moment of levity in the form of a cute side-hug.
Right after ABC moderator Linsey Davis framed a question about Hillary Clinton’s recent comments on Sanders — that “nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he gets nothing done” — Biden swooped in for a hug as if to ward off the bad juju from 2016.
This was a cute moment pic.twitter.com/nEsOAUbSfZ— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) February 8, 2020
Listen, this week has been a year, and hugs are nice.
Joe Biden calls on the crowd to stand up for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key impeachment witness
Klobuchar wasn’t the only person to invoke Vindman’s name on Friday evening — Biden did as well. During the first hour of the debate, the former vice president made a dig at Trump over his latest choice of Medal of Freedom recipient — one of America’s most notorious racists — and said Vindman should have been the one to receive the country’s highest civilian honor.
Biden then asked the audience to “stand up and clap” for Vindman, who had been escorted from the White House earlier in the day. “That’s not who we are. We are not what Trump is,” he said.
NEW: Joe Biden calls on crowd at New Hampshire #DemDebate to "stand up and clap" for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, an impeachment witness who was escorted from the White House today.— ABC News (@ABC) February 8, 2020
"That's who we are. We are not what Trump is." https://t.co/Rhy9aOaDTU pic.twitter.com/zI8VA6wEgS
The moment, while moving, is emblematic of Biden’s case for the presidency: to restore the dignity of the country and prove that Trump is not representative of the US at large.
If you’re not caught up on Vindman, Vox’s Jen Kirby explained what happened:
Vindman, a top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, listened in on Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. He testified that he found the call inappropriate and that he saw it as “improper for the president of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a US citizen and political opponent.”
Now Vindman has been removed from his post in the White House as of this Friday, according to his lawyer. His twin brother, a lawyer for the National Security Council, was also fired.
Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar on abortion rights
Activists have been pushing the debate moderators to #AskAboutAbortion, which they did some 90 minutes into Friday’s debate. The question first came to Biden: Would he use support for abortion rights as a litmus test for Supreme Court nominees?
Biden gave a somewhat incoherent answer to the question, jumping from the constitutional basis of Roe v. Wade to the various women Supreme Court nominees he helped confirm. Then Warren started talking.
“I’ve lived in an America in which abortion was illegal, and rich women still got abortions, and that’s what we have to remember about this,” she began. It was a reminder that when the Court rules in the abortion case June Medical Services v. Gee later this year, the Americans most likely to be affected are low-income people and people of color.
“Three out of every four people in America believe right now that the rule of Roe v. Wade should be the law,” Warren continued. “That means we should be pushing for a congressional solution as well. It is time to have a national law to protect the right of a woman’s choice.”
Sen. Warren discusses the right to abortion: "It is time to have a national law to protect the right of a woman's choice." #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/5gvFE0Ftmh— HuffPost (@HuffPost) February 8, 2020
Most Democrats in the race support codifying Roe in statute, which would be a difficult battle. But Warren articulated her position clearly, pointing out that the current Court, with two Trump appointees, may well be out of step with public opinion.
Klobuchar also had a strong answer to the question, offering a reminder that during the 2016 campaign, Trump said he favored putting women in jail for getting abortions. He later walked that back, but, Klobuchar asked, “Is it a big surprise, then, we are seeing states like Alabama start enacting laws that would criminalize doctors who perform abortions?”
It’s a question a lot of abortion rights advocates have been asking, too, noting that Trump’s election seems to have emboldened states to pass a wave of near-total abortion bans.
You don’t have to be a woman to have a strong position on abortion rights: Sanders, too, was clear and concise in offering a three-point plan for protecting them. But Warren and Klobuchar showed a kind of sharp thinking on an issue that some male candidates, like Biden, have never really had to develop.
Is Pete Buttigieg’s answer on racism in the South Bend police department good enough? Elizabeth Warren says no.
Buttigieg’s answer on racism in the South Bend Police Department under his watch might not have been up to par. Just ask moderator Linsey Davis — and Warren.
Davis, a correspondent at ABC News, pointed out that while Buttigieg was mayor, a black man in the city was four times likelier to be arrested for marijuana possession than a white person, and that the disparity increased after he took office. Buttigieg tried to talk around the answer, pointing out that drug arrests in South Bend were lower than both the state and national averages and trying to pivot to discussing drug issues and arrests in the country as a whole.
“There is no question that systemic racism has penetrated to every level of our system, and my city was not immune,” he said. But Davis continued to press him: Answer the question.
.@LinseyDavis on racial disparity in marijuana arrests in South Bend: You called it "evidence of systemic racism” … weren’t you the head of the system?— ABC News (@ABC) February 8, 2020
Buttigieg: “Systemic racism has penetrated to every level of our system and my city was not immune.” https://t.co/Rhy9aOaDTU pic.twitter.com/j8NgS1CS77
Buttigieg hedged again, talking about gang and gun violence “slaughtering the community” and targeting police enforcement. And so Davis turned to Warren: Was that answer substantial enough?
Her answer: “No,” which was greeted with applause.
“You have to own up to the facts. And it’s important to own up to the facts about how race has totally permeated the criminal justice system,” she said. Perhaps more interestingly, she stressed that race has to be talked about beyond criminal justice. “We need to start having race-conscious laws,” she added.
Buttigieg has a big problem with black voters, and Friday may not have fixed it.
All the talk of race with few candidates of color onstage
A good chunk of time toward the end of the debate was devoted to issues of race, which was noticeable, given the fact there are no longer any black or brown candidates on the debate stage. Only one candidate of color, businessman Andrew Yang, participated in the debate Friday.
Indeed, all the talk about reparations, voting rights issues, gerrymandering, and criminal justice reform might have seemed out of place in New Hampshire, a state that’s about 90 percent white. It was clear many of the candidates were also thinking of voters in more diverse early states, like Nevada and South Carolina.
The discussion about race kicked off after Buttigieg was asked about racism in South Bend’s police department. But billionaire Tom Steyer — a very white man wearing a very plaid tie — kept the conversation going.
“We have not said one word tonight about race. Not one word,” Steyer admonished his fellow candidates. “Are you kidding me? We have a very diverse country, we have a very diverse party. ... For goodness’ sake, pull it together.”
Tom Steyer: "We have not said one word tonight about race. Not one word! Are you kidding me? We have the most diverse party...For goodness' sake, pull it together." https://t.co/93QauZSK6e #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/DvMnNol3KL— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) February 8, 2020
Steyer, who’s making a concerted push in South Carolina, continued talking about his support for reparations and challenged Biden to call out one of his top South Carolina surrogates, state Sen. Dick Harpootlian, for remarks some have deemed racist. The conversation continued from there, with Warren calling for new housing, education, and health care laws that specifically address persistent racial inequities; there was also a baffling rejoinder from Andrew Yang that universal basic income — not new laws — would help solve racism in America.
Andrew Yang: "You can't regulate away racism with a whole patchwork of laws that race-specific."— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) February 8, 2020
Yang touts his universal basic income proposal, so "black and Latino consumers have buying power." https://t.co/93QauZSK6e #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/od4X6m9eRx
At one point, Klobuchar jumped in with a point on voter discrimination, saying, “There’s something else insidious going on we haven’t addressed, and that is the systemic racism when it comes to voting.”
After New Hampshire votes on Tuesday, expect these issues to come up a lot more in states like South Carolina and Nevada, both of which have bigger black and Latino populations than New Hampshire.