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Tim Ferriss on suffering, psychedelics, and spirituality

Among our topics: why Ferriss fills his home with reminders of his eventual death.

AT&T AUDIENCE Network Presents at 2017 Winter TCA Photo by Phillip Faraone/Getty Images for DIRECTV

Tim Ferriss is the author of The 4-Hour Workweek, as well as the new book Tools of Titans. He’s also the host of The Tim Ferriss Show, which is one of my favorite podcasts.

Tim is a relentless optimizer, and on his program he interviews fascinating people to discover how they work, think, and get things done. It’s a show about the secrets of high performers.

Here, I ask Tim about basically the reverse of that. How does he think about the parts of his life that, though crucial, are harder to optimize and systematize? We discuss friendship, love, psychedelics, spirituality, death, health, and whether it’s possible to get too addicted to productivity hacks (spoiler: it is). This is a discussion, in other words, about much of what makes life worth living, and it left me with a lot to think about.

You can listen to our conversation by subscribing to my podcast, The Ezra Klein Show, on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your fine audio programming. Or you can stream it off SoundCloud.

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