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Kara Swisher’s son Louie returns to Too Embarrassed to Ask: “My English paper is more important than collusion.”

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On the latest episode of Too Embarrassed to Ask, fan-favorite guests Louie Swisher and The Verge’s Casey Newton returned to the show to talk with Recode’s Kara Swisher, a.k.a. Louie's mom.

As with their last appearance on the show, Louie and Casey analyzed some of the latest trends in social media, messaging and online video. But also interesting is what Louie, as a high schooler, is not paying attention to; he was asked about the Congressional hearings into how Russia used Facebook, Google and Twitter during the 2016 election and said that news wasn’t really on his mind.

“That’s terrible, it’s like the destruction of our democracy, but not really,” he said. “I don’t use Facebook or Twitter! I know a lot of people do, though. I think within the next 10 years, they’re going to die out. Once all the grandmas and grandpas are using Facebook and once Donald Trump’s done with Twitter, once his thumbs can’t move anymore, then it’s over.”

Louie considers Snapchat “my main way of talking to people.” But he said political ads on social media should “obviously” be labeled with the names of who paid for them.

“If it’s an avocado made by Switzerland, that’s probably not going to be a good avocado,” he said. “That’s a terrible analogy.”

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On the new podcast, the trio were briefly joined by a third special guest: Kara’s mom, Lucretia Carney. And they discussed why Louie doesn’t want a Nintendo Switch (“I’m not 8 [years old]”), but does want the one video game Kara has expressly forbidden.

“Grand Theft Auto. I would really like it if the people at Rockstar would send me a free copy,” Louie said.

“No,” Kara replied. “N-O. N-O. N-O. No, they shoot women.”

“They don’t tell you to shoot women,” Louie said. “You have the ability to choose! You could go in that game, you could buy a car legally and you could obey all the traffic laws ... or you could just drive crazily through the city, which most people do.”

“You know what happens to people who drive crazily?” Carney asked. “Accidents!”

With the hedonic fun of Grand Theft Auto missing from his life, Louie was able to explain for the older people a game he is playing: The mobile game Golf Clash.

“It’s one-on-one, one-hole golf and you just have to beat the other person, by getting the least amount of strokes,” he said. “If you tie, if it’s a draw, then you go to a shootout: You have one shot to get it as close to the hole as possible. It’s not boring, like normal golf. Normal golf is like nine or 18 holes, this is one hole.”

“I’m excited to think that teenagers are about to get back into golfing in a huge way, but shortened for their Gen-Z attention spans,” Casey said. “Golf is just one hole, from now on! You can probably get a lot more games in during the day.”

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