If Steve Wozniak were just getting his start today, he says he would probably be doing something in virtual reality or maybe a smart golf ball.
“What’s fun going on in the word? A lot of it has to do with artificial intelligence,” Wozniak said during an onstage interview with Recode’s Ina Fried at a recent Salesforce developer conference. “But we were coming more from an understanding hardware point of view.”
It’s of course an entirely theoretical question. Wozniak spent his early days building the first Apple computers, after first creating devices that hacked pay phones to allow free long-distance phone calls.
It was during those hacking days he played some of his best pranks both with and on his Apple co-founder and buddy Steve Jobs.
“My favorite memories of him are all in the five years before Apple,” Woz said, before recalling one of the pranks he played on Jobs while hacking the pay phone at his old high school.
An excerpt of the interview is in the video above, and you can watch the full interview on Salesforce’s website (free registration required).
This article originally appeared on Recode.net.