Computers aren’t the only things at risk of being hacked.
“Anything with an operating system is vulnerable,” Tanium CEO Orion Hindawi said on the most recent episode of Re/code Decode.
In conversation with Re/code’s enterprise editor Arik Hesseldahl, he argued that big organizations are too often clinging to outdated security solutions that put them and others in danger.
“The systems I trust, that actually work in this landscape, are none of the systems that are 25 years old,” Hindawi said. “A lot of companies and governments are using tools invented before mobility, virtualization and cloud computing.”
He also attacked corporate culture in Silicon Valley as wasteful, irresponsible and headed for a fall. Startups have focused too much on making work “fun” for employees, and not enough on providing long-term value to their customers, Hindawi said.
“I have friends who have quit companies in San Francisco because, literally, they didn’t have the nap pod close to their desk,” he said. “My people came to us because they want to build something that matters. They don’t give a shit about the coconut water.”
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This article originally appeared on Recode.net.