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Brent Bushnell and Eric Gradman, Two Bit Circus Co-Founders; New BlackBerries

Tyler Pina for Re/code

Two Bit Circus CEO Brent Bushnell and CTO Eric Gradman talk with Kara Swisher about their high-tech circus, STEAM Carnival; fixing education; and why playing games will break down kids’ aversion to the sciences. Later, Lauren Goode finds out if the new BlackBerry Priv is good enough to challenge Kara’s iPhone.

This article originally appeared on Recode.net.