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Jill Abramson on What Happened at the New York Times, and What She's Doing Next: The Full Code/Media Interview

Make time for this one.

Jill Abramson says she can’t explain, precisely, why she was fired from the New York Times’ top editing job in May. But she’s happy to talk about it.

And she’s happy to wink at her situation as well, by showing up to an interview with Re/code’s Kara Swisher wearing a necklace with charms that spell out “Pushy.”

That fashion choice should give you a pretty good sense of the vibe of Abramson’s appearance at our Code/Media New York event last week, but now you can see the entire thing yourself. This is a wide-ranging and candid conversation, touching on everything from gender to the digital future of news, and Abramson’s own future plans. Definitely worth your time:

This article originally appeared on Recode.net.